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FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows #342690110/17/23 11:38 AM | Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 415 napilopezOP Full Member | | OP Full Member Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 415 | Saw Synthogy released this video today, for those of you who wanted to try this library but didn't have a mac
I wasn't a huge fan of Ivory II and I'm not fully convinced by the sound clips on Ivory's site, but I know lots of folks really like the Ivory libraries. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342697110/17/23 02:33 PM | Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 584 danno858 500 Post Club Member | 500 Post Club Member Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 584 | I bought this for Mac when it came out - I was a bit disappointed. I like Noire better.... |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342709510/17/23 08:04 PM | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,911 Taushi 1000 Post Club Member | 1000 Post Club Member Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,911 | Sigh. I want to try this so bad, but the reviews have not been as amazing as I’d hoped, and the demos were kinda meh. And seeing as how they’re going more with what seems like half-modeling and half-sampling, I’m not too happy since modeling still doesn’t get it fully right soundwise. Add to that, the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows Taushi#342713110/17/23 10:14 PM | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 19,159 Kawai James Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member | Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 19,159 | Originally Posted by Taushi the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. Do you know if Ivory III uses lossless compression? That may explain the smaller footprint compared to Ivory II (assuming the previous version did not use compression). I recall when VI Labs implemented FLAC compression on their libraries - it led to a significant reduction in filesize. Kind regards,
James
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Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows Taushi#342716110/17/23 11:58 PM | Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 415 napilopezOP Full Member | | OP Full Member Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 415 | Originally Posted by Taushi Sigh. I want to try this so bad, but the reviews have not been as amazing as I’d hoped, and the demos were kinda meh. And seeing as how they’re going more with what seems like half-modeling and half-sampling, I’m not too happy since modeling still doesn’t get it fully right soundwise. Add to that, the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. I do expect it's a lossless compression thing, and I actually like the idea of *some* modelling coming to play, but the lack of pedal down samples I think reall hurts the authenticity. That and it doesn't really seem like the releases have improved much, although that's hard to assess without playing it myself... |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342723110/18/23 06:08 AM | Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 277 Craig Richards Full Member | Full Member Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 277 | Originally Posted by napilopez Originally Posted by Taushi Sigh. I want to try this so bad, but the reviews have not been as amazing as I’d hoped, and the demos were kinda meh. And seeing as how they’re going more with what seems like half-modeling and half-sampling, I’m not too happy since modeling still doesn’t get it fully right soundwise. Add to that, the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. I do expect it's a lossless compression thing, and I actually like the idea of *some* modelling coming to play, but the lack of pedal down samples I think reall hurts the authenticity. That and it doesn't really seem like the releases have improved much, although that's hard to assess without playing it myself... Having lived with the Ivory 3 German D for a few months on a Mac, I find the velocity transitions and dynamic range to be noticeably improved, but was disappointed that the release samples are still under-baked. The modelled sustain-pedal-down resonances are marginally improved from v2.5, but still don't result in the 3 dimensional resonance achieved by separate sustain-pedal-down sampling. A real missed opportunity in my opinion, and the omission of a true close mic set (hammer position/under the lid) is a puzzling and frustrating decision by the Synthogy team. Also, the ambient/distant mic set doesn't have any real sense of space like the VSL Decca tree or surround mic sets do. Just a narrower stereo image and slight change of tone. Again, a wasted opportunity. Last edited by Craig Richards; 10/18/23 06:09 AM. Pianist, Composer & Arranger |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows Craig Richards#342736510/18/23 03:25 PM | Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 869 slobajudge 500 Post Club Member | 500 Post Club Member Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 869 | Originally Posted by Craig Richards Also, the ambient/distant mic set doesn't have any real sense of space like the VSL Decca tree or surround mic sets do. Just a narrower stereo image and slight change of tone. Again, a wasted opportunity. That narrower and linear stereo image is probably the cause of the demos sounding too digital and unappealing. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342739510/18/23 05:20 PM | Corte Junior Member | Junior Member Joined: Jun 2023 Posts: 5 | I agree that the demos aren't all that impressive. I did run across the YouTube channel of Uwe Karcher. Uwe is a wonderful pianist and he just started using the Ivory 3 piano. In my opinion, he makes it sound warm and lush.
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Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342755710/19/23 04:55 AM | Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 869 slobajudge 500 Post Club Member | 500 Post Club Member Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 869 | As much as I want to buy that piano, I can't quite relate its sound to the acoustic Steinway D. I understand that everyone has their own listening angle. Thanks for the video Corte. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342757510/19/23 06:56 AM | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,911 Taushi 1000 Post Club Member | 1000 Post Club Member Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,911 | Originally Posted by Kawai James Originally Posted by Taushi the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. Do you know if Ivory III uses lossless compression? That may explain the smaller footprint compared to Ivory II (assuming the previous version did not use compression). I recall when VI Labs implemented FLAC compression on their libraries - it led to a significant reduction in filesize. Kind regards,
James
x You’re probably right here about it being lossless. Originally Posted by napilopez Originally Posted by Taushi Sigh. I want to try this so bad, but the reviews have not been as amazing as I’d hoped, and the demos were kinda meh. And seeing as how they’re going more with what seems like half-modeling and half-sampling, I’m not too happy since modeling still doesn’t get it fully right soundwise. Add to that, the fact that this is less GB than Ivory II, but has more mic positions, and it’s clear they’re leaning way heavily on the modeling approach and less dynamic layers. I do expect it's a lossless compression thing, and I actually like the idea of *some* modelling coming to play, but the lack of pedal down samples I think reall hurts the authenticity. That and it doesn't really seem like the releases have improved much, although that's hard to assess without playing it myself... Yeah, it probably is lossless. Without a demo or refund policy, though, I just can’t justify taking the plunge, lol. If they were doing something like IKM Multimedia is doing with the per-month model, I’d be willing. But, at this point, and with Ivory being anti-third party sale, I may just wait until the next big thing from VSL or VI Labs comes along. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342763710/19/23 11:41 AM | Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,381 newer player 3000 Post Club Member | 3000 Post Club Member Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 3,381 | Some of the huge music shops used to have a DAW with a lot of VIs installed for store demos, including Ivory2. Maybe you are so lucky. |
Re: FYI: Synthogy Ivory 3 German D is now available on Windows napilopez#342770110/19/23 02:28 PM | Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 275 jdg78 Full Member | Full Member Joined: Dec 2021 Posts: 275 | I've also been curious about this one, but not willing to take the plunge given the high price tag and lack of support for returns, resales, or demos. I don't mind rolling the dice for something under $100 if it looks intriguing, but this is too expensive to take a chance on, particularly since reviews seem to be fairly mixed. If it ever gets heavily discounted, I might be tempted though. |
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